184 comments on A Brief Illustrated Guide to Understanding ISLAM (English)

2.Posted by JesusinOz on Jan 23 2008 at 11:43

If religion had any basis wouldn't it make those who followed it better people?

Sadly not, and religion is now seen to be the root of all evil.

4.Posted by dutch_cheese on Jan 23 2008 at 17:00

nice post luvdemfilez. I want to add two things:
1: It is a FACT that all mayor religions are peaceful. Most people find it hard to believe but the Islam's main philosophy is respect for each other and rejection of violence.
2: I couldn't hold myself from posting a comment too because this is such an interesting and misunderstood matter, but this is not a political forum guys so lett this discussion be closed and post comment about the torrent instead.

6.Posted by FarStar on Feb 01 2008 at 11:58

Hello everyone,
I have added this torrent to be read by those who don't have an idea about Islam or have a wrong idea about it, so, who say a words such as "religion is the root of all evil" I am agree with him!! ONLY IF ((that religion made by the human)),, but if you read books about Islam and Quraan you will find this is a religion made by God "ALLAH".
Please read the book then comment.

If you wanna know the differences between two religions in our world today, go to this website and find out why that priest converted from his religion to another: www.islamtomorrow.com

Thank you,

8.Posted by FarStar on Mar 31 2008 at 18:02

rockstar99, would you please add me to your messenger,,
muteee3@hotmail.com

God guide you,
Amen

10.Posted by FarStar on Apr 01 2008 at 19:24

Hay man, take a look at this:
http://www.mininova.org/tor/1265514

12.Posted by FarStar on Apr 04 2008 at 23:54

Hello rockstar99,
So you are here to "proselytize your belief system" !

Most of your comments talking about Islam as a "WRONG" religion, and clarify your point of view as a reluctant of what muslims are believing and doing.
So, I don't think this RULE is a problem for a man looking for answers, and from where you got this sentence "with other faiths, ideologies or philosophies but rather we will inform you what Islam has to offer you"?

(don't put the behavior of a man as a rule of his belief. If you are doing a bad habit which is against your belief; I don't say that your faith is wrong; I say you are wrong; you don't follow your religion the right way)

Regards,,

14.Posted by FarStar on Apr 05 2008 at 00:32

16.Posted by FarStar on Apr 05 2008 at 00:57

rockstar99..
Please visit y o u t u b e i s l a m, and you'll find many valuable videos.

18.Posted by hgheith on Apr 06 2008 at 09:17

rockstar I see your posts all over anything Islamic, and you have made it clear you are suffering from Schizophrenia, what else do the voices in your head tell u to do? Don't listen to this guy, he is an anti-Islamic nut, I'm sure he thinks of himself as a prophet, take your meds man.

20.Posted by FarStar on Apr 07 2008 at 11:41

You said: ((( I don't plan on watching any of those videos - I'm sorry. I am not looking for answers as you said. I am looking to make others aware of the problems Islam will and has brought to the world )))

You are not looking for answers!
You beleieve that Islam "will and has" brought problems to the world!

You are judging Islam with no evidence. and if you think these videos are evidences for you, then you have to look for answers really. Regardless of the reason why you are here commenting on my torrent and accuses prophet Muhammad that he ((..was a false prophet deceived by Satan himself.)) and yet you don't have a single evidence from the holy books. Man you asked me to see videos that produced, edited, written and directed by a racist people....

22.Posted by preekis on Apr 10 2008 at 08:03

Ahaaa....rockstar99,......as you said (on number 9) : <<<<<Satan can use men with good intentions to do bad things>>>>>. Now you yourself being used by SATAN......acting as the most brilliant man who knows best about religion......(and so racist!!!!!!).

May Allah lead you.
Amien.

24.Posted by FarStar on Apr 10 2008 at 09:05

Guidence to the way of God is the greatest gift in this el-world. The one who get it will get the blessing in this life and the life after. The reason why we are living in this life and die after a unknown time is to worship God, the one who created us to worship him alone without partners. This life is a test for all human beings from Adam to the last person, the guides for this test is brought to the humans by messengers of God who came in differnt times in the human beings history. The followers of the messengers will be in paradise and the others will be in hell, its clear and no one has an excuse.

26.Posted by hgheith on Apr 12 2008 at 04:57

It's good to see that you have an open mind rockstar, I hope You are guided to the truth!

28.Posted by rockstaragain on Apr 13 2008 at 15:57

hgheith - hi again. Apparently I was giving away too much truth and being to hard on you Muslims. Mininova or some lamer deleted my other account so I reregistered. What's sad is that my good posts got deleted too. Maybe they were considering all of my posts as spam. I was just trying to get the word out and answer all of your ridiculous questions. It's now funny to see all of the responses to rockstar 99 but there is no comments posted from me. L O L.

Seriously though. I wish all to watch "Obsession" to see what really is going on in Islam today.

30.Posted by FarStar on Apr 17 2008 at 22:11

rockstar..

See this video here:
http://www.mininova.org/tor/1332868

or look for it in (y o u t u b e)
by using these key-words: (The Bible version of Fitna)

Regards,

32.Posted by rockstaragain on Apr 19 2008 at 00:07

farstar - I watched that video and I must say I'm unimpressed. The footage was of just one radical lady who is definitely far gone - she doesn't understand the gospel at all. Compare that to Islam who has millions of Extremists all over the world. Not a very good comparison of F i t n a at all. Other than the fact that I already know about the verses in the Bible about killings and such I can't say much. That way of fighting was done away with long ago as taught by Jesus and his apostles. Even Jesus Christ quotes the old testament so I'm not sure what the point of the video is for backing up Muslims. I know perfectly well why God told the Jews to kill everyone off of THEIR promised land. He wanted to cleanse it of all filth and wickedness (like the days of Noah) from the former inhabitants. Just like today Christians are supposed to cleanse their lives of all filthiness so that God can be with them. Not enough Christians understand this tho.

34.Posted by rockstaragain on Apr 20 2008 at 19:31

Farstar - I only have to site one place that has millions of extremists. Iran. The leader of that country is inciting the majority of that country into h a t e for Jews and the United States. They call themselves Muslims so I can't say how many of them like Islam or not but they are using Islam for the basis for their h a t e. Maybe many of the people go to the rallys so as not to look like they are against it but rest assured there are millions around the world pushing the extremist view of Islam.

Regards

36.Posted by rockstaragain on Apr 22 2008 at 19:12

Farstar - I already understand your point. You will never understand mine though with your closed mindedness. So long as you discount the facts and refuse to understand the real history of Islam. Islam is evil at the core. Muhammad is/was a false prophet foretold to come. He is a type of Antichrist because he says Jesus never suffered for our sins. Satan deceived him or Muhammad was gladly used as a tool for wickedness to spread. About 90 percent of what Islam teaches is good and holy but the other 10 percent is what I'm afraid of. That's what Satan does, he mixes in a lot of truth in with a few lies so that you'll believe in it but yet be going down a very dark path in the end. I am through arguing the same point over and over with you. Watch more videos and read more real historical and archaeological evidence and you'll clearly see I'm right.

38.Posted by rockstaragain on Apr 22 2008 at 19:38

dutch_cheese - no matter what their main philosophy is they can't use force to get there and then say oh we have been peaceful all along.

mini76 - You are either a born again Christian or very confused. How the h e c k can you say organized religion is bad and at the same time speak about being born again. Two very contradictory statements. It took an organized religion to give you the Bible that you hold so dear. You either don't know any history or you are truly blinded by the craftiness of men.

I forgot to repost my list of videos all should be watching "What the West Needs to Know", "Israel, Islam, and Armageddon", "Undercover Mosque", "Lions for Lambs", "BBC - Unholy War", and "CNN - God's Muslim Warriors". More to come.

40.Posted by FarStar on Apr 22 2008 at 21:12

Verily, you (O Muhammad) guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He knows best those who are the guided. (1) (Al-Qasas, 56)

God guide me & you,
Ameen

42.Posted by mad-john on Apr 23 2008 at 04:40

"hint: go to any web search engine then type " World's Fastest Growing Religion"
Then ask your poor self WHY !?!?!?"

yep and britney spears was the best musician of her day,.. budwiser is the best beer in the world,.. and Irag was behind 9-11 and toilets flush counter clockwise when you cross the equator,.. ,

when does popularity have anything to do with quality?

... and I stopped asking my poor self Why? .. people believe stupid things .. when i was 12,..

the answer? .. people are stupid.

44.Posted by mad-john on Apr 24 2008 at 01:04

You don't think million of people are stupid? but millions of people do not believe in Islam?
So they must be right?

46.Posted by FarStar on Apr 24 2008 at 11:54

(So basically what your saying is you believe in Islam because so many other people do?)
You don't have to believe, just look at the nature of the humans, they follow what make them happy, and follow the things that are reasonable and have strong arguments, this is the way of the God "Allah", that's why we see Islam increasing in number of followers, and the christianity doesn't grow up as much as Islam except in poor countries, whom has been exploited because of their need to embrace the christianity without conviction.

48.Posted by mad-john on Apr 24 2008 at 20:57

People follow things that are reasonable and have strong arguments. Here I have to disagree. First there is a long and varied list of people doing just the opposite than reasonable, and arguments can be seemingly strong yet be patently false and are in fact tailored and designed to lead to false conclusions and unreasonable action.
I could go on about the Nazi's, Khmer Rouge, Crusades, Slavery, the entire advertising industry (for smoking as an example), creationism, zionism, bio fuels, the war in Iraq, and on and on.

50.Posted by mad-john on Apr 24 2008 at 21:16

You also like to group all muslims together as if they're all united hip to hip in agreement with each other. While this may make you feel more secure you can't actually be arguing that the muslim world is united and ****genous? that there are no major schism no major conflicts or century long religious wars? The Islamic world is nearly as fractured as the Christian, Buddhist or Jewish faiths. They're are just as many zealots willing to kill other muslims are they are ones killing non muslims. No I am not saying all muslim are zealots Christian and even Buddhists share that trait.
I am saying far from being united by the unarguable reasonableness of common argument the islamic world has fractured and shattered from almost its very inception into multiple fiefdoms justified by matter of suppose theology but really simply reflecting spheres of power and efficiency that are jealously guarded.

52.Posted by mad-john on Apr 24 2008 at 21:25

sorry for the word efficiency at the end of post 50 please replace with ethnicity

54.Posted by mad-john on Apr 25 2008 at 05:27

Sorry I though you were saying that the fact that million of people worship Islam and that it is one of the fastest growing religions of the world was proof that the muslim faith was correct.
In fact rereading your post that still seems to be what you were saying.
Admittedly you were talking to a crazy man (rockstar), whose earlier comment I was thankfully spared by the moderator, but that I can deduce were pretty stupid. Still for some reason you choose to debate him and it was the argument you used in that debate that I was questioning.

56.Posted by rockstaragain on Apr 25 2008 at 05:40

mad-john - What are you mad about? Did you get r a p e d by your priest or something. You have no idea who I am. To claim my words are foolish makes you one of those prideful men spoken of in the scriptures. To you the works of God are foolishness but he will humble you. I speak with power and authority as a holder of His Holy Priesthood. Farstar is just a clueless Muslim but you sound like a r e t a r d e d atheist who discounts prophecy and historical facts. Good luck finding peace when the world is in complete chaos. Maybe you'll be one of the lucky ones that dies from disease or a natural disaster. I say lucky because you will see God's wrath on all of the unclean coming up very soon. The scriptures say it will be a great and dreadful day when Christ comes again. Great for his followers and dreadful for those such as yourself.

58.Posted by mad-john on Apr 25 2008 at 05:50

Oh sorry the insane person is back again,.. let just pretend he isn't here and maybe he'll go away.

60.Posted by rockstaragain on Apr 26 2008 at 18:25

mad-john- This is a really good point that you've made here - Mohammed based many of his teaching on those of the Christians and the Jews.
In fact I know of no other religious text that references other religions so quickly and so oftenly as does the Koran. This proves my point perfectly how Satan is using Islam to thwart the work of God by picking on His Chosen people. Satan knows very well who his enemies are. Why else would he mention the Jews and Christians so much.
If you are claiming I'm insane you are sadly mistaken. I appreciate you at least helping the cause to expose Islam for what it really is - a Satan developed perversion of Christian and Jewish beliefs. I am giving you fair warning as a concerned brother in God that truth is out there and there is one true church that God instituted for his people. Seek and ye shall find.

62.Posted by rockstaragain on Apr 27 2008 at 20:44

mad-john - I found help now seek God seek. Long live Christianity.

64.Posted by rockstaragain on Apr 28 2008 at 04:42

mad-john - I assume you're mocking me. Well it's ok I make lots of typos since I write so much and want to do it in a hurry. I meant to say seek God mad-john. Is that clear now.
God can't play dead. He can be silent for a time when no one has the faith to follow Him in righteousness. For you it looks like he'll be silent for a long time since you appear to be so closed minded. Good luck in the Millennium.

66.Posted by rockstaragain on Apr 30 2008 at 17:35

mad-john - how foolish do you want me to make you look. I am quoting prophets when I say God can be silent. I put no limits on God. He is is bound by laws just like the rest of us are. He knows how to manipulate the universe to make it seem like he may not be obeying those laws but everything is governed by laws. His power is determined by His righteousness. The same is true of the rest of us. I know this is way over your head so I'll stop there. I know someone like you who is a baby in regards to spiritual things can't digest the meat of teh Gospel. The scriptures make that clear. Good luck to you Mr. Atheist.

68.Posted by rockstaragain on May 01 2008 at 17:12

mad-john - Ok I'm silly - sarcasm. You're still foolish when you say I'm not quoting scripture and prophets. Any good Christian knows what I'm talking about. Or at least they can make sense of it if they truly understand God. You misinterpret my description of God. Jesus walking on water for example: by scientific explanations of the cohesion properties of water he could never have done that right? Well God knows the properties of water and how to manipulate matter infinitely greater than our scientists so that's why I said it may APPEAR he is not obeying the laws of nature. That is what makes Him all powerful and Omniscient. Knowledge is power. Christ said we could inherit all that he and the Father has by following Him. This means we can learn to do the same thing and have the same power.
David Blaine does Satan's work so follow him if you want. The Devil has power too. Worship God instead because he can resurrect you and make you like Him.

70.Posted by mad-john on May 03 2008 at 03:47

OK so god is just a guy who knows some clever tricks?... my Gawd thats a real disappointment,.. ... what at let down,
I mean considering a miracle is generally considered "An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature,"... I guess that means God hasn't ever performed any,.. he was just faking it,..
Whew dude that's mayor,..
Thats as big of a let down as the midichlorians in star wars,.. it just undermines the whole dramatic tension of the original story .. I mean if God and Jesus powers don't have any actual significants,.. they're just tricks that can be learned then the jedi are actually just elitist warrior monks enforcing support for the establishment and not an actual force for good.

Sorry got my metaphors mixed up but you get the point.

72.Posted by rockstaragain on May 04 2008 at 18:27

mad-john - w o w you're still mocking God. Fools mock but they shall mourn. Your comparison of tricks and God's power is amusing. You neither understand what I'm talking about nor do you have any comprehension skills. I said His power comes from His righteousness. Everything obeys God's will because of His righteousness. Righteousness and knowledge = power. That is why we say in my church you cannot be saved in ignorance. All will be taught of Jesus Christ and it is up to them to choose to follow or not. God has set out requirements for salvation and everyone must adhere to those requirements or they cannot enter into the kingdom of God. The requirements for Jesus to be perfected are the same for everyone. Even crazy mad-john has this potential. You try to compare this life to a puzzle. No it is a test. You've already been with God now he's testing you to see if you will obey His will with all of the temptations you'll encounter in this life.

74.Posted by mad-john on May 05 2008 at 00:08

Actually dude I do know a little bit about history, it was kinda my major minor, Obviously it wasn't yours.
If we wanna talk most of history not just the last few hundred years then your wrong. While the local awareness of religions was perhaps limited to the few familiar to the area (basically 'our', and maybe the 'other guys') the variability of what those few were as you traveled around the world was immense. Even as in more recent eras and communication between establish populations became more regular and extensive allowing the larger mayor religions we know today to form and spread among diverse populations there was still massive amount of local interpretational variations which meant while they might call them selves Buddhist or christian or jew by no means could all who claimed the same name be said to share the same beliefs.

76.Posted by mad-john on May 05 2008 at 00:29

Further more your statement that missionaries have always been around spreading "Gods words" is directly contradicted by the bible itself,.. or are you gonna just ignore the entire old testament?
and that he .."will teach them in the Spirit World after they have died" .. ok dude what **** have you been smoking?... "pre-earth life"? for some one who talk allot about "the scriptures" you sure do fast and loose with them,..are they're any space ships or laser beams in your version?,.. and yes I have read them, well in the King james version not in Latin or the original Greek or Hebrew , but I did actually take religious studies under a Jesuit priest .. so I think I'm gonna have to not just take your word for it.

78.Posted by rockstaragain on May 05 2008 at 06:38

mad-john - Ok it sounds like you know a little history. No I have not majored or minored in it but I have been doing a lot of research and learning lately. I don't contradicted myself with my missionary statement because int he old testament the prophets were the missionaries. Member Jonah and the whale. He was told to go to a city and preach repentance to a wicked city. That is a form of missionary work. You must look at missionary work in a different sort of way I guess. You seem to think I am coming up with some wild ideas because I speak of pre-earth life and the Spirit World. These are indeed unique concepts to the majority of the world. But if you read the scriptures carefully you'll see references to both of these topics. Jeremiah 1:5 for instance and many similar passages. Christ went to spirit prison right after his crucifixion - 1st Peter 3:19. The spirit world is divided into a paradise side and a prison side.

80.Posted by rockstaragain on May 05 2008 at 06:48

mad-john - I hope you don't think you are some sort of Bible scholar and all because I can back up everything I say and tell you much much more. In fact, I suggest you learn about what I'm teaching through one of my church's official websites. LDS.org or Fairlds.org. We have a prophet and twelve apostles who lead and guide the church of God today. They continuously receive revelation of how we should be living our lives so that we don't have to guess about which ideas are right or wrong. Seek and ye shall find, Knock and it shall be opened unto you. All the best.

82.Posted by rockstaragain on May 06 2008 at 02:01

mad-john - It's obvious you've never seriously researched my faith but it's fine with me if you want to get all of your information from anti-Mormon sources. I have to comment on this statement tho - "when your part of one of the kookiest **** pot cults north America has ever come up with, with one of the most corrupt and ******ous ruling establishments." I am unsure where you got this diluted idea from but I know firsthand that there is nothing corrupt about my church. There are a few that have strayed from the doctrines and correct practices of the church but the leadership is far more righteous and knowledgeable about God than any other so called faith our there. I am not trying to sound boa****l but set the record straight. You will receive just punishment for your mocking of God's servants and His church. I won't attempt to clarify any other misconceptions because it's obvious you won't listen to any reason.

84.Posted by mad-john on May 06 2008 at 04:41

and now with knowing that your a mormon, your very first comment to me

"mad-john - What are you mad about? Did you get r a p e d by your priest or something."

takes on a much more ironic note doesn't it?



I believe the psycho babble term for this is called either projecting or mirroring .. I can't remember which.

86.Posted by mad-john on May 06 2008 at 20:59

The point of projecting isn't weather you were trying to get my attention or not it was the method you instinctually chose to use to do so, revealing something very much on your mind even if actively suppressed. Were you one of the boys systematically abused by the church?
"Your above statements are all lies and you'll be punished for spreading them. You haven't any proof to back up those claims. All you have is hearsay and excommunicated members hate fueling this contempt."
Yes by all means lets ignore eyewitness testimony, physical evidence, and the results of investigations by newspapers and the government, .. instead let just blindly trust the assertions of those accused because anyone who accusing them is excommunicated so you can't trust them.
I notice you don't actually attempt to refute a single statement just blindly bleat that we should follow the Spirit or leadership of the church.

88.Posted by mad-john on May 06 2008 at 21:28

Many of the statements written by Smith are directly in conflict with previous statements of his as well as the current practices of the church.
the basic historical notions found in the book of Mormon not only are largely disproved by evidence but have been admitted by church members as largely fictional based on a obscure book called View of the Hebrews published at the time of smith first writings
The church leadership is supposedly guided by god yet has a disastrous history in predicting outcomes hence the Kirtland Bank, the United Order, the gathering of Zion to Missouri, the Zion's Camp expedition, polygamy, the Deseret Alphabet and the recent hoffman forgeries.

I'm not saying the LSD church is unusual. Its history of deception self contradiction and corruption similar to many churches , indeed the church of scientology has openly copied is organization structure.
I am saying your claims of divinely assured justification are looking pretty weak.

90.Posted by rockstaragain on May 07 2008 at 07:00

mad-john - I never do anything blindly. I pay attention to my feelings and I test things out for myself. Jesus Christ himself said (John 7:17) "If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself". I challenge you to test out the Book of Mormon and obeying the teachings of the current prophets of God. I know you'll gain a testimony of them and learn who you are by doing so. What could it hurt? I can tell you what you could gain but I bet you're not interested. I'll answer only one question - only Christ the perfect being can atone for sins. The rest you can research yourself at lds.org or fairlds.org.
It looks like I'm going to have to call you another Korihor for your statements and lack of understanding. I hope you do look up who Korihor was because you would probably like the guy and wish you could be more like him. He is an anti-Christ in the Book of Mormon. That's just what you are an anti-Christ.

92.Posted by mad-john on May 07 2008 at 07:16

" Yes indeed lets ignore the so-called evidence and so-called testimonies and investigations. Because they all mean nothing when the Spirit has witnessed the truth already to me. I never said to blindly take the leadership's word for it. But the word they speak are directly from God so I'm good with that. Also one should indeed take direction from the Spirit rather than so-called facts and evidence. Satan is very tricky in trying to make it seem something is wrong when it's not and vice versa. That's why there are hundreds of churches and m u r d e r i n g in the name of God. People aren't following the Spirit."

You are completely I N S A N E .

94.Posted by mad-john on May 07 2008 at 21:04

absolutely nuts-so.

96.Posted by rockstaragain on May 08 2008 at 16:09

mad-john - aka Korihor - I'd rather be considered insane and dilusional while following the truth than sane and just follow the masses blindly. I've tested everything I put my faith in. Have you?

98.Posted by mad-john on May 08 2008 at 23:14

Jesus, if there was such a person, went off into the desert and did his research, he didn't follow what other told him especially the priests, and he defiantly didn't pretend not to see the transgression of the priests when he encountered it.
You on the other hand take everything your priest tell you as fact, even when those facts directly conflict with other thing they have told you, anything that criticizes the church even if it from within the church is excised, any evidence that undermines the church is the work of the devil for the church is all and pure and unsullied,
I put it quite simply to you, you Do Not worship God, rather you worship the Church of the Latter day saints and thats a very clear case of Idolatry.

100.Posted by mad-john on May 10 2008 at 05:04

Actually I didn't deny, I just didn't blindly affirm. There's a difference.
I find it fascinating that your proof is that you feel its right so you know its right, but at the same time you talk of other people worshiping the wrong god out of ignorance or being deceived and you say that their feeling of being right and correct is false .. a deception by the devil?, yet they feel the same thing you do.. ? ... ergo de facto?
and yet you don't think there anything wrong with your logic?
Look if you just recognize and admit that your crazy, well thats the first step in getting better.
You are right about one thing, I only know the dictionary definition of Idolatry I wouldn't pretend to have as deep an understanding as you, a person who so actively practices it.

102.Posted by rockstaragain on May 10 2008 at 08:05

mad-john - aka Korihor - LOL about that idolatry comment. You don't understand the spiritual aspects of it that's your problem. You'll never understand anything spiritual unless you humble yourself and straighten out your life with God. I already told you I am crazy - but only in a religious sense. I am crazy about the truth. I care way too much about my brothers and sisters to leave them in the dark and full of ignorance about who they are and what their purpose is in life and potential are. My craziness comes from love. Jesus Christ was considered crazy buy the so called knowledgeable men of his day. So too are the members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I wouldn't want it any other way. I expect the same persecution and sufferings he did from the world. The scriptures say we should be willing to give up friends, family, and all else for the sake of the Gospel. The Bible also says everyone needs to take upon them their own cross - meaning it will be tough.

104.Posted by mad-john on May 10 2008 at 09:15

I'm so glad you admit that your religion zeal is unhealthy.

Now we just have to work towards a place where we can make it better.
The most importing thing is foe you to stay calm, stay away from bad influences, and mostly to stop all the frantic and destructively delusional text postings on the web.

106.Posted by mad-john on May 11 2008 at 06:33

could you possibly be right?, .. from your statements here the answer is a pretty clear nope, not a chance. (13 million? same number as the jews?, are you sure your not fibbing?)
what is that? less than .2% of the world population?
I've no problem considering them all delusional. hell scientology claims 8 million members and they started this scam over a 100 years after you guys.
Besides many more than that are united is thinking your all delusional so in this case the numbers are against you. but honestly, I don't know about the rest of the church, your statement of tons of people being more gung ho (you do realize thats a chinese communist army slogan short for "industrial worker's cooperative"?) is very scary, but I did grow up with some mormons and while slightly creepy they weren't as deeply disturbed as you.

108.Posted by rockstaragain on May 11 2008 at 08:06

mad-john - aka Korihor - Above you said - "what is that? less than .2% of the world population?". Haven't you ever heard the scriptural passage that states that strait is the gate and narrow is the way to eternal life and FEW be that find it? I don't expect the majority or even a large part of the earth to belong to the one true church - I know better. Another reference states that the people of God are a peculiar people - count me in. I'll ignore all of your negative statements above but the reason I wanted to talk to an atheist like you is because I knew you would provide a means for me to get out some truth by your ridiculous claims, statements, and questions. Honestly I don't know how reasonable people turn out to be so backward thinking as you are. I'm sure it just the pride and sin you like so much but then again I am not all knowing. I just know I have the truth. Poor atheist. Your irrational thinking and denial of truth will only take you farther and farther away from peace and God.

110.Posted by mad-john on May 11 2008 at 21:17

Your absolutely right Rockstar God is a ******* for making a world where the vast majority are doomed to eternal suffering thru no fault of their own.
I agree, we should rise up against him.
Thank you for you instruction for the summoning rituals, they were very clear and detailed and I don't think I'll have any problem getting my hands on the supplies, I've already got the soiled nun's habit.
I do have one question thou; Does the baby blood have to be christian baby's blood, or will regular heathen blood work as well?

112.Posted by mad-john on May 12 2008 at 14:06

You have so many baby blood myths that you can't remember which one? , thats heavy.
I was talking about the summoning ritual you were helping me with. As I'm not an active church member I don't have the cheap and readily available supply of baby blood and flesh that the LSD church supplies and I was wondering how god felt about the use of heathen baby's blood instead of christian.
You see its quite a bit cheaper and accessible arround here but I was worried that maybe it upset the balance of the spell?.. I could likely get double the amount of heathen baby's blood than what you originally suggested for Christian's babies' blood .. but I'm not sure if that would help.
Thanks very much for your help so far it very kind of you expending the time on one who must seem so small time a dabbler in the dark arts to you, .. I can only hope to one day approach your expertise in defilement.

114.Posted by mad-john on May 16 2008 at 04:54

None of the stories are myths? they're all true? Thats hardcore!
I agree Joseph smith was a wacky nut.
So you've killed Bodthdog I hope you found his blood useful.
By the way I love your sarcasm with the "holy Melchizedek Priesthood ..." claiming membership to a ancient pre-christ order is a great cover but I mean come on,... if you were actually a good morally upstanding person why would you be spending all your time on a pirate site?

116.Posted by mad-john on May 17 2008 at 03:28

Yes people who believe things that they have no objective evidence for are crazy, and I love the Idea that some one would call themselves a priest of some extinct order in a vain attempt to legitimatize their incoherent rambling I totally agree with you that it is laughable. You merely buried bodthedog alive? wicked.
Yes I would love any curse spells or incantations you would like to share with me, I tried the summoning spell you gave me, manage to get my hands on a christian baby - the teenage mother left it in a garbage pail in the back alley, thank God for the anti-abortionists, but it didn't seem to work. I sure it was just my lack of experiance, and to be honest I could bring my self to masturbate as much as you said you did, so maybe that was it.
Thank you very much your brother united in love of our lord Joe Satan Smith the white salamander.

118.Posted by mad-john on May 18 2008 at 22:05

Thanks man, with the spells incantations and all you've been a great help.
Satan loves you too brother.

120.Posted by mad-john on May 20 2008 at 21:05

Why would I argue with some one who has shown me the glory and power that can be found in the service of Satan our lord?
Your guidance and instruction in the ways of the twisted thorn have benefitted me greatly.
You have taught me to serve Satan, and I thank you.
Glory be to Satan.

122.Posted by mad-john on May 22 2008 at 04:05

I totally agree with you rockstar, Satan is glorious and awsome and we should all worship him. You are right to defile the christ and I only wish I could do so with the conviction and vigor you do.

124.Posted by rockstaragain on May 22 2008 at 06:57

mad-john - aka Korihor - Satan is on your side not mine.

126.Posted by rockstaragain on Jun 21 2008 at 16:51

My final thoughts for mad-john are for him to read 1 Corinthians Chapter 2. That is the reason he cannot understand spiritual things.

128.Posted by rockstaragain on Jun 29 2008 at 19:35

Mad-John - aka Korihor - aka Antichrist - Here is what you said - 'What makes people happy is a sense of righteousness, of they're own correctness and the validation of their world view. People like to think they're right cause then they don't have to think any more and thinking is hard, and dangerous because you might just be wrong and changing your opinion is even harder, so allot of people work really hard on not thinking if deep down they suspect that they might be wrong.' I agree with all of this except the righteousness part for you. You fit this to a tee. You area afraid to learn truth. Righteousness does give you confidence tho. Do you think Moses would have felt he could part the Red Sea had he not been obeying God's commandments. Nope he would be like you're crazy God I can't do that.

130.Posted by rockstaragain on Jul 05 2008 at 16:13

mad-john - aka Korihor - aka Antichrist - Yes God and Moses together did it. Moses was the instrument God used to perform the miracle tho. That's how God works. This analogy of God's servants being instruments in his hands are all throughout the scriptures. He is the master and we are the vessels he uses to make himself known.
It's good of you to ask serious questions. Keep um coming, I am very willing to teach you if you are humble. I don't understand this statement of yours - 'You think old men that screw teenagers are holy,... kinda like the catholics'. Where did this idea come from? We condemn this in the LDS church. Never once has my church done this or allowed it. I guess you confuse us with the break off churches who call themselves Mormons too (such as the FLDS and other polygamist groups). Do some research will ya.

132.Posted by rockstaragain on Jul 06 2008 at 15:49

mad-john - aka Korihor - aka Antichrist - Go ahead and find evidence of this for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Bring me some historical facts, newspaper headlines, or whatever that says it is the policy of the church to do this. There indeed may be individuals that do these things, who when found out, are excommunicated from the church but the church never condones or allows this behavior knowingly and never has. We wouldn't go against the doctrines and tenants of our beliefs. If we did the whole church would be useless.
You're just a liar with a lot of time on your hands who doesn't know the difference between a piece of toast and a piece of bread. The details/doctrines and history are what separate us from the other churches claiming to be 'Mormon'. Get a clue.

134.Posted by mad-john on Jul 06 2008 at 22:02

ok, so I made some grammatical mistakes there but the facts stand.

136.Posted by rockstaragain on Jul 07 2008 at 08:04

mad-john - aka Korihor - aka Antichrist - I didn't say show me your thoughts or someone's supposed account. I said show me historical records. I have no idea what source you got that from and I bet you don't either. Marriage and having *** is another thing. Back then it wasn't uncommon for 14yr olds to marry. So what are you on about?
You can't seem to get your numbers right so it seems you just made it all up. Where is the documentation I asked for???
Yes of course you lie. Sharing wives - LMFAO. You misunderstand the plural wives doctrine so much. Seriously do some real research. We have plenty of talks about it in our church records. If you want to learn what my church really believes and its real history you should try lds.org or fairlds.org.

138.Posted by mad-john on Jul 08 2008 at 06:59

So then you seem to say that its no big deal... but earlier you said anyone who would do this would be "excommunicated from the church but the church never condones or allows this behavior knowingly and never has."
and I just showed you the two most important founding members of your church did .. so is Joseph Smith and Brigham Young excommunicated?
Nothing you say makes any sense, any the depressing thing is you actually think your sane.

140.Posted by rockstaragain on Jul 08 2008 at 20:26

mad-john - aka Korihor - aka Antichrist - I know you won't because you don't follow the path of righteousness and seek to build up the kingdom of God. You seek to thwart it and prevent its growth. Joseph Smith prophesied that no unhallowed hand can stop this work. You can attempt to all you want but the truth will spread throughout the earth as God has foretold. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints will spread through the whole world as prophesied by Daniel. I am a witness of the miraculous power of the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ and will continue to correct your ramblings and misunderstandings.
One last thing. Where did you get the sharing of wives idea?? I said provide documentation and records. I know you can't do that because it never happened. That is just Satan's attempt to taint the life of the Prophet Joseph.

142.Posted by rockstaragain on Jul 10 2008 at 07:18

mad-john - aka Korihor - aka Antichrist - Oh, and since it is taking you so long to respond I thought I might clear up a few more issues. (I do love how you gloss over ideas I straighten you out on and move onto other wild ideas) I see now why you think I was contradictory about the teenager thing. I did forget that fact that in Joseph Smith's day people were marrying at young ages and it was legal to have s e x (in an earlier comment). I am not saying that I feel it is ok for this to go on but I will not question God in the matter. I do know that even today girls can get married as young as age 15 in the United States under certain circumstances. God works in mysterious ways but I will not let you claim that Joseph was doing this for the s e x. For I know otherwise. If you look through the Bible when things like this happened it was about carrying on a family name, insuring a lineage, or to take away a woman's reproach.

144.Posted by mad-john on Jul 15 2008 at 07:03

which is fine, .. if you'd only shut up,.. if you want to testify to a totally inane and nonsensical word view with magical super powered gunslingers and fuzzy fantasy father figures ,.. fine, .. if you think being proud of your decision to firmly believe what you believe despite what ever facts or evidence you might encounter in the world that conflict with what you know just has to be true, even if you want to deny your own words when they lead you to say something that might undermine your conviction of your own righteousness, .. well fine,. just stop bother us all with your stupid childish masturbational urge to ejaculate your stupidity all over the place, bleating all the time how you think your so smart doesn't make you so,.. being insane doesn't excise you from being a ****.

146.Posted by mad-john on Jul 15 2008 at 07:20

and that's fine,
whatever- no skin off my back
but still it means you shouldn't argue with people because in fact you are not willing to accept their side, no matter what they say, even if they are right you will still say they are wrong, and thats a dishonest and unfair thing to do. its childish and selfish, and your an ******* to keep doing it,.. a crazy ass hole is still an ass hole, go be crazy on your own but stop being all loud and aggressive about it .. have the decency to admit that your crazy and leave everyone else alone, stop arguing stop pretending that your being logical your not, listen to your self, you have to be able to hear that what your saying doesn't make any sense.
it only makes you look crazy


and is annoying as hell!

148.Posted by rockstaragain on Jul 15 2008 at 08:06

mad-john - aka Korihor - aka Antichrist - Hi again. The only conflicts I see with my religion are the misunderstandings of MEN. Those that have faith and understand spiritual things don't have any problem with what I believe. If you only knew the leaders of the church like I do you wouldn't be able to say anything against the truth that I am trying to teach you and others. I am smart when it comes to spiritual matters. Don't get all upset with me because you don't. I don't care how childish you think I'm being. You're the one name calling and yet you try to put me down for my simplicity and straightforwardness. I don't care if you think I'm insane. Lots of prophets were told the exact same thing. Should I think I am better than they? Nope but I do expect the sort of opposition and criticism you are trying to dish out. Only, I know you will just make yourself look more and more foolish as you try. God will prove all my words.

150.Posted by rockstaragain on Jul 15 2008 at 08:17

mad-john - aka Korihor - aka Antichrist - I'm not saying there are difficult things to comprehend but once you've had that sure knowledge you cannot doubt it. Apparently you've never had such an experience .. right? Of course not, you haven't a clue how the Holy Spirit works and operates.. do you? I'm not here to argue with people but to teach and enlighten them. If they want to turn it into a de