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2.Posted by soundslave on Mar 23 2008 at 04:03
It's not "illegal" to give it to "non-members". Its 2 different "copy's" of each months issue. 1 for the people that actually know a little more about the bible than others. Than another one for those who are interested in learning more about it. Anyone that wanna read the "secret" issue are free to do so. Nothing is hidden, it's open to everyone. They just have 2 issues to make it easier for people.
3.Posted by silencergroup on Mar 23 2008 at 07:04
Too bad that story is all lies.
I hear the New York Times issues a "special" paper for Free Masons, or is it internet idiots, I can't remember.
4.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on Mar 23 2008 at 12:12
To check the "spin" the Jehovah's Witness are throwing, ask anyone for a copy of the "special study edition" dated the fifteenth of each month.
If you attend the Watchtower study they will give you one to go along with the study BUT you will have to give it back before you leave.
The proof is in the pudding. The JWs think they are the only ones approved by God and the Watchtowers dated the fifteenth are for them only (unless they loan you one where they can see you read it at the Kingdom Hall).
Don't take some JW's word for it who is employing "theocratic warfare" (thier term for lying to people who they feel don't have a "right" to know the truth).
As k the for a copy of the fifteenth so you can read for yourself how Jesus has been invisibly present since 1914 among other intellectual jewels that make Scientology almost look reasonable.
They won't give you these magazines. Period. Ask them.
5.Posted by Crofeld on Mar 23 2008 at 12:38
Dear HannahTheDog
I am sad to hear that your bark is worse than your bite. I don't know who told you this but its entirely rubbish.
The reason that there are 2 copies of the Watchtower magazine is that one is for the weekly study, and if you attend you can have one and no you don't have to give them back. Actually, they are usually out on the desk for anyone to take a copy.
Plus if you are really so interested, compare all of the literature or the monthly magazines, there really isn't that much difference one is just more in depth than the other.
That is the problem with assuming something, the assumption is rarely ever right. Plus you know what they say when you assume (hopefully, I don't have to spell that one out)?
Bottom line is, they will give you one, just ask. By the way, they may not have one on hand when they come knocking on your door because they don't expect the general public to want one, but if you ask, I am more then certain that they will return with one.
6.Posted by hidetomatsumoto on Mar 23 2008 at 12:41
Sorry HannaThEdog, but your story is complete rubbish. There are no "secret" copies, they're just meant to be studied in the Kingdom Halls.
7.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on Mar 23 2008 at 12:48
From another "not available to the public" publication, "Our Kingdom Ministry":
*** km 7/07 p. 1 Exciting Changes for The Watchtower! ***
Exciting Changes for The Watchtower!
1 Earlier this year, congregations received a thrilling announcement: Starting in January 2008, The Watchtower will have two different editions, one for the public and the other for our Christian brotherhood!
<snip for length>
2 The Differences: The issue dated the first of the month will be known as the Public Edition. All the articles in this issue will be prepared with the public in mind. The issue dated the 15th of the month will be known as the Study Edition and will not be offered in field service."
Please notice: "The issue dated the 15th of the month will be known as the Study Edition and will not be offered in field service."
Stop the "theocratic warfare" or "heavenly deception" as the Moonies call it.
8.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on Mar 23 2008 at 12:59
From a letter to the body of elders (again which most JWs do not see):
February 9, 2007
TO ALL CONGREGATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES
Re: Adjusted format of The Watchtower
Dear Brothers:
<snip>
Now, we are pleased to announce that the Governing Body has approved changes to the format of The Watchtower.
<snip>
The Watchtower that is dated the 15th of each month will be solely for the Christian brotherhood. It will not be offered to the public. It will contain all the study articles for one month and secondary articles that are appropriate for dedicated servants of Jehovah. That edition will be known as the study edition.
<snip>
After this new arrangement goes into effect, everything in the study edition will be expressly for dedicated individuals and Bible students who are making spiritual progress.
<snip>
Seems pretty clear to me. Not for the public.
9.Posted by Crofeld on Mar 23 2008 at 13:09
That is the problem with half truths. The people who want to say bad things will always be able to twist things into evil lies.
Yes it is true that the is what the KM 7/07 states. It wont be offered to the public, but it doesn't mean that it wont be given if asked for.
Plus, here is why half truths are evil. Why keep something secret if the Witnesses are going door to door and inviting all they meet to a "Public" meeting where anyone can come. Doesn't make sense when you think about it. Plus, I have never heard of someone policing the public asking them for their magazines back when they leave. Just doesn't happen.
So if anyone doesn't believe this, just ask for one or better yet go to one of their free "public" meetings and judge for yourself. I am pretty sure you wont be tackled either when trying to leave with a so called "secret" edition. Better yet, ask one of them if you can have it???
10.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on Mar 23 2008 at 13:18
"Better yet, ask one of them if you can have it???"
Um, that was my suggestion earlier (see comment 4). Ask for your own copy to take home.
So we've gone from "all lies" and me being called an "idiot" (comment 3) and from "complete rubbish" (comment 6) to "half truths." :-)
You JWs are VERY amusing! Great witness you're providing. Are you counting the time? (JWs know about what I speak.)
Don't worry, I will not tell anyone that you're on the internet which, as we both know, you're not to do....and interacting with an "apostate"....what will Jehovah say?? And right after the memorial..... :-)
I know, I know...I've got that wrong also....too funny! You have the freedom to do what you want including the dreaded "independent thinking" !!
11.Posted by hidetomatsumoto on Mar 23 2008 at 14:21
Not supposed to be on the Internet? And what's this then?
http://www.watchtower.org/
Come on, you're only fooling yourself. Don't speak of things you obviously don't know anything of.
And btw who said there are any Jehovah's Witnesses here replying?
12.Posted by Endraxz on Mar 23 2008 at 14:24
I read threw this and wondered IF its secret how did you get one?
13.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on Mar 23 2008 at 14:34
"Not supposed to be on the Internet? And what's this then?"
The Society can be on the internet...just not the rank and file. If you're acting like you can freely use the internet to, say, interact with apostates, then you're using "theocratic warfare" again. :-)
It's kinda' like you can't celebrate birthdays but the Society can...I was present at their 100th....huge gala.
"I read threw this and wondered IF its secret how did you get one?"
Excellent question. How do you think?
15.Posted by zz9zzzalpha on Mar 23 2008 at 14:39
I wonder if the JW’s know the word Gullible has been removed from the dictionary? 
16.Posted by Crofeld on Mar 23 2008 at 14:45
sorry that I clicked on the post by accident and didn't say anything. Well, actually come to think of it, I take it back. I meant it for what it is, nothing.
As I read through all of these posts there seems to be only one person who is using some kind of circular logic and isolating their comments how they want to and if one person would come here and read this whole thing, there seems to be only 1 person who clearly isn't thinking and is waging their theocratic warfare again and with their independent thinking is leaving out the most important word, thinking. Why spend so much time trying to prove someone wrong. Why not prove yourself right with solid facts not innuendos and one sided selective comments.
17.Posted by Waimak on Mar 23 2008 at 14:57
Please note that this is not a SECRET study issue. There is no secrecy involved in this. These are the articles that we study together at our weekly meetings worldwide, and if anyone is interested in coming then attendants would be more than willing to give you a copy of the study articles to keep. It was considered, however, that since the articles are of more interest to us and of less interest to the general public then it would be wise to consolidate these articles into one monthly issue. This was purely a practical move.
As always, the general public are more than welcome and warmly invited to attend our weekly meetings. You are also welcome to ask any questions directly to any Jehovah's Witness. We encourage you to ask any questions you may have, and you will find an open, honest reply waiting for you, as always based on god's word.
18.Posted by Waimak on Mar 23 2008 at 14:57
Downloading this material is in direct copyright infringement, however, seeing that it is here I hope you enjoy it and I sincerely ask you to read it with your Bible. We encourage people to read the scriptures cited in the article in their own Bibles, that way you can see where the information is coming from. Jehovah's Witnesses strive to speak from the Bible, and not to speak their own words, and we would like you to see that for yourself.
Enjoy.
19.Posted by Crofeld on Mar 23 2008 at 14:58
Last comment for the day,
By the way who said anything about JW's I never said that I was. To be honest, I come here to download tv shows because I am living in another country.
I myself have studied many different religions and philosphies thorughtout the years and have always been a man of science who likes to think for himself. When I myself came across the JWs I have never heard of them before and they always explained things from the bible, but what impressed me the most about them is that they respect everyone's opinion and beliefs even though their differs. They never looked down on others or attacked their beliefs. Which is more than I can say for others. So I have to say to anyone out there, instead of listening to the ramblings of someone who obviously has a beef with the JWs dont listen to them. If you want to know the truth yourself, go find out for yourself.
20.Posted by Crofeld on Mar 23 2008 at 15:04
A comment for wainmak,
I agree with you on the bible comments but on the other part, some things in some countries are not illegal. Where I live in the moment, it is not illegal to download tv shows (because they are being broadcasted everyday on the open airwaves), what is illegal is if you distribute them or sell them for example.
That is why I download them because I like to watch stuff from my home country that I miss while living outside of my home country. What is the difference if I download them and watch them or watch them on tv or record them with my video recorder.
But I will have to say all the other stuff is clearly not legal and I personally avoid it. But others have to make their own choices.
21.Posted by Waimak on Mar 23 2008 at 15:16
You sound a bit like me. I'm in Japan now, and I can't see what I miss. Japan apparently has some deal where licensing is paid in part through the purchase of writeable meida like DVDs and CDs. I think that is pure genius. But I read that on Wikipedia, so can never be sure. But I can't read the official licensing laws, because it's all in Japanese
Anyway, I guess as always the person is under the laws of their own country.
And I appreciate you being so fair and logical in all of this.
22.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on Mar 23 2008 at 15:19
"We encourage you to ask any questions you may have, and you will find an open, honest reply waiting for you, as always based on god's word."
Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT to get together and ask any questions outside of the society's arrangement.
*** km 9/07 p. 3 Question Box ***
? Does “the faithful and discreet slave” endorse independent groups of Witnesses who meet together to engage in Scriptural research or debate?—Matt. 24:45, 47.
No, it does not. ... ...Throughout the earth, Jehovah’s people are receiving ample spiritual instruction and encouragement at congregation meetings, assemblies, and conventions, as well as through the publications of Jehovah’s organization.
... “the faithful and discreet slave” does not endorse any literature, meetings, or Web sites that are not produced or organized under its oversight.—Matt. 24:45-47.
Ask any question that a Society book can answer.
24.Posted by Crofeld on Mar 23 2008 at 15:36
Now I have to say that you (Hannah) are really twisting the truth of someone's words. Your reply doesnt match what Wainmak said.
I guess you have nothing better to do, what a sad life. It seems everyone who has posted a reply has challenged you to be open and honest and you are the only one who posts closed one-sided comments. Sad indeed.
I hope no one else wastes their time, reading your rubbish. But you know what they say, garbage in garbage out!!!!!!! It seems to me that you have nothing better to do then attack a group who would never in a million years do the same to you. That is vindictive.
25.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on Mar 23 2008 at 15:42
My Dear Crofeld:
You're obviously unfamiliar with the Jehovah's Witnesses. I freely admit that individual members can be "nice people," their organization is rotten to the core.
Having served at their world headquarters (Brooklyn Bethel) I know with certainty that your statement "then attack a group who would never in a million years do the same to you" is either misguided, uniformed, or a lie.
You either do not know the inner workings of the Organization or you are trying to "innocently" act like the Organization a "victim."
Either way, your ad hominem attack alters nothing of what is said above from their own "not available to the public" literature.
Sorry....not even a "good try."
26.Posted by Crofeld on Mar 23 2008 at 15:53
I have to say that I dont know where all of your misplaced hatred comes from. I have studied them for a while a long with other religions along the way in life, and I would never say that about them or for that fact any other religious organization.
But let me ask you this, instead of saying something bad about them and spending all of your time going after them, do you have something better? What I know of Jesus from reading the bible, is that he never spoke vindictively of someone in the bible other than his own religious leaders of his time because they denied him being the Christ.
So why spend all of your time going on witch hunts, why not spend your time promoting something better? Do you have anything to say about any other organization or just them in particular?
But as I said before, you dont know me, so never ASSUME anything!!!!! I am a person who comes to his own opinion based on proveable facts not the opinions of a spiteful person.
27.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on Mar 23 2008 at 16:07
My Dear Crofeld,
You write "But as I said before, you dont know me, so never ASSUME anything!!!!! I am a person who comes to his own opinion based on proveable facts not the opinions of a spiteful person."
So I don't know you but you know me to be a "spiteful person"?
You write "so never ASSUME anything!!!!! "
Yet you assume that I "spend all of your time going on witch hunts"
Hey...you'd fit right in with the Jehovah's Witnesses. :-)
The internal inconsistencies in your posts are amusing but...also kinda' sad. You don't vote in American elections do you? I certainly hope not. :-)
28.Posted by Crofeld on Mar 23 2008 at 16:15
As I sad before, do you have any beefs with other religions or just the JWs? Why do you hate them so much?
Do you have anything good to say about something better?
I dont know how I should take the comment about fitting right in.
Well about the voting thing, I dont know who I would vote for. I would say something about the lesser of 2 evils, but I think in the moment it is the evil of two lessers.
I said all the things I said before because even when other offer their opinions about non secretive articles, which I find funny by the way, you always come back to the same 2 or 3 arguments and the sources you quote seem to be out of context to me. But as you always say, I dont know them like you do. But I can think for myself and it seems that you are the only one hell bent on frying them. Just an observation.
29.Posted by Crofeld on Mar 23 2008 at 16:23
I dont mean to offend you if you took it that way Hannah, but after reading everything that everyone has written, it just seems to me that you are trying to convince everyone that there exists some kind of secret copy or something and it from my point of view that for a group that is so public in going to the people and trying to invite them to public meetings, it jsut seems ridiculous to me that there would be a secret copy for them alone. It doesnt make sense.
I know from the past when I visited them at their meetings they didnt seem to hide anything from me. It is more then I can say about some other religions I have visited in the past on the other hand.
It just seems to me that you got a personal bone to pick and are not being very objective in your replies. But that is just some observations that I have made.
30.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on Mar 23 2008 at 17:33
My Dear Crofeld,
You do not, evidently, have the background to assess the situation fairly. Not a slight...just a bit obvious.
Only active JWs receive the "Our Kingdom Ministry." I quoted: "The issue dated the 15th of the month ...will not be offered in field service."
In Letter to the Elders I quoted: "The Watchtower that is dated the 15th of each month ...will not be offered to the public."
Attending the Kingdom Hall and asking questions is qualitatively different from reading their internal communication organs and letters to the elders.
These magazines are not to be given to the public because they contain information that is um...er...ah....not easily understood. :-)
For all of your attacking me individually, you have yet to prove that the magazines are available to the public and I have supplied two undeniable proofs that they are not.
You like the JWs but...it's not relevant.
31.Posted by Crofeld on Mar 23 2008 at 17:47
Then I tell you what, the next time I see one, I will ask them for this so called secret edition and see what they tell me, and if they give me one then what????
I find it hard to believe that they go through all the trouble to invite people to their meetings which are public and then have a so called secret magazine that they study there after inviting the public? So if what you say is true then how would you explain that? Keeping a secret magazine, but invite the public to come to their meeting? doesnt sound so secret or make sense. Can you explain how that works to me????
As for liking them, I generally like everyone I meet and I do not descriminate against anyone for their beliefs, etc. I would say that I am only predjuice against stupidity.
32.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on Mar 23 2008 at 19:56
My dear sincere (evidently) Crofeld,
You have much to learn and I have little time to instruct you.
You win. Your superior logic and reasoning ability caught me. I made up the quotes from the "Our Kingdom Ministry" and from the letter to the Elders.
"I am only predjuice against stupidity"
If I shared this particular prejudice this message would go unposted.
All of the energy I have for you my naive friend. :-)
33.Posted by Crofeld on Mar 23 2008 at 20:55
I am not trying to prove anyone right or wrong, I am just trying to find out the line of reasoning and why the conflict or why a group of individuals say one thing and you say something else and where everyone is getting their "evidence" from.
I dont consider myself naive or gullable. I like to learn and read and I have been around the world in my time too. I just found the whole post interesting and lol and behold, it turned out to be quite an interesting experience. Normally I dont read the posts I just look for my fav shows that I miss from the US download them and that's it. But when I saw the post I thought I had to read and then it was interesting that you were the sole voice against what other people could explain differently. Of course, I will have to see it for myself, but I tend to view things with reservations until proven otherwise, but I will not also make foundless acusations either.
34.Posted by sir_frankie on Mar 24 2008 at 05:00
People...People...Please.
I'll admit, this was a little fun to read but...come on.
I assume that some on this message board already know that the "secret" study edition is (and has been since January) available on www.jw.org.
Free to download for anyone, anywhere, regardless of their association
(or lack there of) with Jehovah's Witnesses.
No password, or registration is required. Even an anti-JW hobbyist like hannahthedog can download these magazines and others in 3-5 minutes.
No questions asked.
So go ahead hannah. Just give them the link.
You don't even have to go through the trouble of seeding them.
35.Posted by sir_frankie on Mar 24 2008 at 05:02
I kind of found hannahs use of the reference in comment 7 amusing
(km 7/07 p. 1 Exciting Changes for The Watchtower!)
Good one! I live in Ontario but I DON'T get the NY daily times.
Does this mean that the great state of New York could be plotting to sell my organs on the black market and I would be left totally in the dark?
*gasp* How foolish of THEM to make a special journal geared to a certain local audience! Has anyone been so bold as to try THAT before?
And to everyone else: Please. Stop waisting your time.
Hannahthedog is a grown-up. He alleges that he already knows all there is to know on the matter and has made his choice accordingly. He evidently wants as many people to hear what he has to say on the matter. Let him.
If people want to find a place to know what Jehovah's witnesses are all about, I'm sure mininova won't be on the top of their list.
I hope your seeding of the "Organized to do Jehovah's Will" finds success.
P.S. "Counting Time"...I like that one.
36.Posted by ButterBricks on Mar 24 2008 at 05:40
First off I am not a JW and I am completely open to all opinions.
HOWEVER TO WHO EVER POSTED THIS TORRENT YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG. 
Whether or not you know of the lies you speak or not I am unsure, I suggest you go out and get your facts straight before publicly humiliating and attacking a great number of peoples community and way of life.
This is not a secret document, I have many of them on my table upstairs which I have been given by JW's who take the time out to visit me and teach me of their ways. As someone was saying before, it's just used as a guide/exercise in their sermon/meetings- The same article is used all around the world every week in all JW halls.
You are clearly mistaken-
Please stop and rethink your actions. I can't really or have the right to do much else, I suggest you have a chat with a well standing JW- I can guarantee you any long standing JW will be more than glad to help you out with your investigation..
Have a nice day
38.Posted by edithlied on Mar 30 2008 at 20:41
Hannah! Oh Hannah! Please don't go off all rabid...ok...calm down for a moment, stop barking and be a good dog! There, lie down and listen!
I am not a dedicated Witness, but I did attend their celebration of the Lord's Evening Meal on March 22nd. I can assure you I was greeted in a friendly, loving and respectfully manner by every one from the Presiding Officer on up. Notice not down but up. These people are humble serious minded folks who are normal persons and who do most things that normal people do, except that they take the Bible very seriously and they use it as their guide. They do not rely on tradition, neither do they sneak in pagan practices into their worship. What is wrong with that, Sir?
39.Posted by edithlied on Mar 30 2008 at 20:42
The mere fact that you have access to their material so as to be able to publish it worldwide on the web is proof that their have nothing to hide. Those study magazines strike me as advanced copies for those who may want to prepare well in advance for the Sunday Services. The same material and more is made available to all and sundry in the regular editions a few weeks later.
Hannah, roll over, lick the fleas off...and stop barking unnecessarily!
This was written by a non-witness, but an admirer of them nevertheless! Could you imagine what this whole world would be like if everyone were as peaceable, as God fearing, and law abiding as these people?
Still, thanks for the postings, and keep up your unintentional good work!
40.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on Mar 30 2008 at 21:09
Thank you for the encouragement and we agree that distributing their literature is the best method of exposing their idiocy.
Most individual JWs are "nice" but the organization is the problem. Many are stuck because if they leave, their family and friends will disown them...I have pity for them.
I have the materials as I was exposed to the highest level of the organization and am, respectfully, in a much better position to assess the group than a "victim" of their highly practiced "love bombing."
Now about calling me "sir": you're barking up the wrong tree on that one...although I understand it can be "ruff" to discern gender on the internet. :-)
Again, thanks for the support.
41.Posted by vrythmax on Apr 04 2008 at 01:24
Hi Hannah,
Can you post a list of the 2008 District Conventions and their Dates and Locations? I can't find it anywhere on line. Thanks for your efforts and help in advance.
42.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on Apr 04 2008 at 13:47
"Can you post a list of the 2008 District Conventions and their Dates and Locations? I can't find it anywhere on line. Thanks for your efforts and help in advance."
Hi,
Under the rubric "give a man a fish and feed him for the day, teach a man to fish and feed hi for life" I respectfully refer you to http://www.jehovahs-witness.com
If you'll post your requests there, hundreds if not thousands of folks very tied to the JW community will read and possibly respond.
The community there is a mixture of current JWs including a few elders, ex-JWs (by far the majority, IMO), spouses of JWs who were never JWs themselves, etc.
For all things Jehovah's Witnesses, that's the site !
Good luck!
43.Posted by mad-john on Apr 21 2008 at 21:31
ahh Crofeld a small but important point, if you've "always been a man of science" who think those
" with their independent thinking is leaving out the most important word, thinking. Why spend so much time trying to prove someone wrong. Why not prove yourself right with solid facts not innuendos and one sided selective comments."
You do know one of the fundamental tenants of scientific inquiry and basic logic is that one can never prove a supposition or theory to be correct, "right", Its is only possible to disprove a theory not prove it.
44.Posted by mad-john on Apr 21 2008 at 21:31
No matter what the evidence you gather there is always a logical possibility that another explanation/theory could explain those fact better or that other fact may surface latter that disprove your original supposition.
If your theory makes a concrete potentially disprovable prediction on the other hand, a requirement for a theory to be called scientific- creationist / IDers take note- that prediction can then be found to be false at which point the theory is disproved.
This is the only form of verification that is meaningfully called proof to a "Man of science"
45.Posted by dlb on Apr 28 2008 at 17:00
So secret they can be downloaded without password 
http://www.jw.org/
come on whats your axe to grind?
46.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on Apr 28 2008 at 20:01
The audio files can but...how does one study and compare audio files?
see discussion here: http://www.mininova.org/com/1262755
The changes in Watchtower dates for the end of the world (including the very recent "reinterpretation" of "this generation" would be next to impossible to gather from the audio file.
Now with the new book study arrangement and the shorten meetings...the decreased audience for the magazines...just gonna' be another religion very soon.
The theology of the JWs is not only ridiculous (look at 607 B.C.E) but the shunning policy ruins families.
As the Tower crumbles and becomes a Third World religion for the non-educated....those of us free from her high-control grasp are happy for those of you left in.
47.Posted by Waimak on May 12 2008 at 15:16
And just for those who might want to head to the official websites of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society:
www.watchtower.org
www.jw-media.org/index.html
And, as mentioned,
www.jw.org
Please note: The previous website mentioned by Hannahthedog is in no way affiliated with Jehovah's Witnesses or The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. It in no way reflects the ideals and interests of the afformentioned groups.
48.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on May 12 2008 at 20:11
Only problem with checking the offical Watchtower site is that they do not discuss their failed prophecies, their high-control methods, their shunning and its impact on families, their stance against college, their pedophilia *** scandal payouts, their 607 BCE bogus scholarship, their years long recent association with the UN, etc. etc.
Let's face it, the JWs are a second rate religion and have no more of "the Truth" than any other religion.
They do have, however, a superiority complex. :-)
While I feel pity for the janitors and truck drivers who are their "leaders," I, like most, are not fooled by their claims to being "God's favored religion."
www.Jehovahs-Witness.com has many individuals who have seen the light.
49.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on May 12 2008 at 20:12
Only problem with checking the offical Watchtower site is that they do not discuss their failed prophecies, their high-control methods, their shunning and its impact on families, their stance against college, their pedophilia *** scandal payouts, their 607 BCE bogus scholarship, their years long recent association with the UN, etc. etc.
Let's face it, the JWs are a second rate religion and have no more of "the Truth" than any other religion.
They do have, however, a superiority complex. :-)
While I feel pity for the janitors and truck drivers who are their "leaders," I, like most, are not fooled by their claims to being "God's favored religion."
www.Jehovahs-Witness.com has many individuals who have seen the light.
51.Posted by HannahTheDog (torrent uploader) on Aug 30 2008 at 15:07
"or fertile breeding grounds .. take yir pick."
Thanks for the endorsement, John. You're correct, of course...free thought runs rampant so... all sorts of ideas are expressed.
Not a bad thing, IMO.
52.Posted by mad-john on Sep 03 2008 at 01:47
I'm not sure it was an endorsement, .. It was actually a comment on another post (something like "the internet is the grave yard of cults"
which seem to have since disappeared,.. to where I know not.
53.Posted by mad-john on Sep 03 2008 at 01:47
The problem with free thought running rampant is that we seldom value things that are free.
The profusion of ideas is an issue when there is no grading or evaluation of the merit or quality of the ideas. Then all can some how claim to be valid which leads to the anti-rationalistic stance that there's always two side to the argument and some how its more just to consider them equal. This point of view allows PR companies to use it to battle anti-smoking, inoculation, global warming or even moon landing claims on behalf of parties that stand to proper from maintaining a stalled state of affairs, which always means a continuation of the status quo.
54.Posted by mad-john on Sep 03 2008 at 01:47
It reminds me of the time a university drop out said to me in all seriousness that after reading Thomas Kuhn's "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" he came to the conclusion that he could now choose to believe whatever he wanted to, .. so I dosed him in gas lit a match and told him to believe fire doesn't burn.
55.Posted by mad-john on Sep 03 2008 at 01:50
proper should read prosper
as to the rest of the spelling mistakes read whatever you feel is right, I'm sure most of you will anyway.
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1.Posted by Ginger_bread on Mar 23 2008 at 03:19
"The magazines dated the fifteenth of each month are for Jehovah’s Witnesses only and they will not give you a copy."
Actually, they are for the Sunday meetings. Anybody who goes to one gets one to follow along. Not exactly a "secret study", as they are public meetings.
But nice try.